(LifeSiteNews) — Thank God! Presidents Putin and Trump finally met in person in Alaska on Friday to try to find a way to “end all the killing” in Ukraine, which many citizens of the world have been praying and hoping would be stopped from also expanding into a great power nuclear WWIII. There are indications, according to German EU Parliament member Michael von der Schulenburg, interviewed in the video below, that Trump gave a strong impression that he is finally determined to pull the United States out of the Ukraine war and leave it up to Europe and Ukraine to determine the final outcome.
For some observers, the meeting gave indications of being an “extremely successful,” “game-changer,” signaling real hope that the ongoing and catastrophic deaths of now almost two million Ukrainian soldiers, with a million or more permanently injured, and millions more civilians having fled the country, may finally be ending. Russian losses are believed to be far less, but they are still a cause for sorrow.
Responses to the long overdue Alaska meeting have varied, from tremendously encouraging to claims it was a dismal failure for Trump, who was allegedly humiliated by the confident Russian leader. Many European leaders and U.S. Democrats have been near hysterical in their condemnations of Trump for meeting with Russia’s alleged “dictator” and not coming out with a signed agreement or other commitment after just the few hours of their first in-person meeting during the war.
The truth is somewhere between the two extremes, but it does appear to have been much more positive than many anticipated, according to seasoned observers who have been closely following the war from its beginning, which was sparked by the U.S.-orchestrated 2014 Maidan Revolution in Ukraine. That event removed the legitimately elected, Russia-friendly president who was forced to flee to Russia, and he was replaced by a pro-West president.
From that time onwards, the U.S. and NATO began massive arming and training of Ukrainian troops to act as their proxy to weaken and bring about regime change in Russia. Russia’s invasion was said to be partly a response to pleas from Russian Ukrainians to be rescued by Russia. Putin and other Kremlin leaders also saw the U.S./NATO plan to be an existential threat to their nation. As it has turned out, they were correct.
The West’s long-term goal was to humiliate and weaken the world’s largest nation to the point that it could be broken up into several rump states that could be more easily controlled to allow Western financial elites to exploit Russia’s vast natural resources to bail the NATO nations out of their impossible debt situations.
Interview with EU Parliament member Michael von der Schulenburg
The incredibly important conversation below, between Glen Diesen and Michael von der Schulenberg assessing the outcome of the Alaska meeting, is full of stunning admissions about the hard realities of today that they both insist must be faced by Europeans, or they will incur inevitable social, financial and military collapse – or a nightmare nuclear war.
These are two principled, caring men with substantial experience. There is little doubt that most EU leaders will be enraged after listening to or reading the assessments spoken during the Deisen program, because most top EU leaders are deeply entrenched in their self-destructive power fantasies and totalitarian control temptations.
I don’t know the religious background, if any, of the two men. Still, they strike me as being men who sense the inner influence of the Holy Spirit and the sacredness of every human life to a degree that they feel compelled to be as frank as possible about the dangers and solutions they see to Europe’s current rapidly declining status. Massive changes in attitude are required.
The most obvious solution, which they do not mention, is for Europe to return to its Christian roots, beliefs and culture that were the rock-solid foundation of European greatness.
The always soft-spoken, anti-war Norwegian Professor Glenn Diesen’s bio states that he “is a Professor in the faculty of World Economy and International Affairs of the National Research University – Higher School of Economics in Moscow.” Diesen frequently has prominent Western individuals on his Greater Eurasia podcast program.
Schulenburg is a German member of the EU Parliament and has been a UN diplomat for 34 years in peace and development missions. He and Diesen have a lot to say about the Trump/Putin meeting that will surprise LifeSiteNews readers and many others.
This is an extraordinary conversation that current world developments have generated. Their honesty provides wisdom and refreshing hope for the future.
From here on, I am going to publish excepts from Schulenburg’s and Diesen’s comments in point form for easier comprehension of their most important statements. However, I would strongly encourage viewing the entire 51-minute video to best grasp the importance of what they have to say about the Alaska meeting and how it pertains to the future of Europe and the world.
There is much more to their conversation than I have quoted below. Again, please watch the entire video. It is gripping and highly informative. I have not seen anything like it and as useful anywhere else to date.
The text was AI-generated from the video using the MacWhisper transcription program. There will inevitably be a few errors in the transcription. Most of it is amazingly accurate. However, watching the video is still important. Keep in mind, the English is awkward throughout the discussion because it is not the first language of the two speakers.
I have highlighted the most important sentences. LifeSiteNews is covering this issue because we sensed from the very beginning that it risked becoming a grave threat to many thousands and potentially millions of lives, for it involved the world’s great nuclear powers and had to be heavily influenced by anti-life, anti-God globalists. We learned a great deal from COVID that opened our eyes to globalist influences in other world developments.
We also emphasized, from the very beginning, the great importance of all involved in engaging in diplomacy, which could be considered a very Christian approach to solving conflicts and saving lives. For whatever reason, there are today very few leaders who are skilled in or appreciate the importance of diplomacy, which includes an attitude of respect for the concerns of the other.
Diplomacy, as the speakers repeatedly emphasize, is the way to understanding the other and then what solutions can be commonly acceptable to resolve conflicts. It is extraordinarily important in world affairs. It seems to have become a lost art that must be revived to ensure peace among nations.
This article does not discuss the globalist connections and influences, but we assure you they have been heavily involved in the background in attempting to direct this conflict and others to advance their New World Order and Great Reset ambitions.
Excerpts from the Glenn Diesen program dialogue:
- Glenn Diesen: Do you think that this is one of the challenges of our time, the lack of trust and understanding.
- Schulenburg: I think that this is the challenge of our time. I think there’s no trust among people in the United States. There’s no trust in the European Union among their citizens. There is no trust among what politicians are doing. I mean, there’s no trust in political elites. … If you negotiate in a war, you should not forget that you deal with two parties who actually outside the meeting room kill each other. And this is the lowest point of trust you can have.
- Schulenburg: Iran-Iraq war – it took three years for them to agree on a ceasefire. It is because there is no trust. People think that if they give in the other one, it’s not only what they negotiate, it’s also whether what they negotiate will afterwards be kept by the other party. (SJ – Most NATO/Russia, signed or verbal, Ukrainian-related agreements over the past several decades have been broken by Ukraine and the NATO nations.)
- Schulenburg: …when you look at the beginning of Trump talking to the Russians, and I think he did very well in the beginning, he offered them to recognize the Kremlin, to recognize that there should be no NATO and all the rest of it. It has not come to it because Putin couldn’t trust that Trump will deliver on this. … Otherwise, I think we would have had a peace a long time. … And why he couldn’t trust Trump was largely because of the Europeans who say at the same time, “Oh, we just wait until three and a half years until Trump is gone and then we do all the things with NATO and all the rest of it again.”
- Schulenburg: …when you sit on the table, you feel things differently when you talk to people. Trust is our biggest problem. And I think that’s also why the meeting in Alaska was so important. That was a typical trust building exercise… “And that’s why I think this meeting was extremely, extremely successful.”
- Glenn Diesen: … these days, I never hear anyone talks about what China is worried about, what Russia is worried about, Iran. It’s always this almost cartoon character we create, where all their motivations are created by their internal belligerence or their imperial ambitions or something that has nothing to do with us. I find this to be dangerous as well.
- Schulenburg: The thing is the absence of diplomacy nowadays. We haven’t had this even in the Cold War. And I would say that we are probably today in a more dangerous situation also because of the development of weapon systems than we were in the Cold War, because we don’t have diplomacy anymore… And when you negotiate, there are three very simple issues you have to follow. The first one is you have to show respect to the other side. I mean, look how we deal with Putin probably today with us. No respect whatsoever. The second thing is one has to start listening to the other… And the third one is one has to try to understand the other side.
- Schulenburg: And understanding doesn’t mean that you agree necessarily with the other side. But the moment you express that you understand the other side, you already take a lot of aggression out of a conflict. And this is a diplomatic thing. And that’s actually very simple rules, very difficult to do when you are in war. But we don’t follow this anymore. And that makes the situation so extremely difficult. I think we are today in a more dangerous situation, even as in during the Cold War.
- Glenn Diesen: I often make the point I can understand if I was advising Iran, I would think getting nuclear weapons now is the best approach. I think this will be a horrible idea for me, but I can understand why they need a deterrent. If I can see, you know, in Russia, why they’re pursuing the policies there. It doesn’t mean I agree with it, but the inability to recognize the position of the opponent.
- Schulenburg: we have always said the self-righteousness of each side is a fuel for war.
- Schulenburg: We repeat all the time what we say, and that makes us blind to find a solution. And that’s why Europe cannot negotiate peace with Russia at the present time.
- Schulenburg: I think [there was] enormous success of this mission. And I think we should all be happy. I think the Alaska meeting is a game-changer… You know, the meeting takes place exactly at the time where the Ukraine is at the point of military collapse. And the Ukraine must now decide, do they negotiate based on the Russian terms because the Russians are the winners, or do they continue until they have a military collapse and possibly also as a follow-up, a political collapse in the country. And I would advise the Ukrainians, negotiate. Negotiate. Don’t trust the Europeans. You are negotiating. You should follow the Russians and the Americans in these negotiations. There is no alternative for you. If you want to save Ukraine as an independent functioning state, you have to do that very quickly.
- Schulenburg: if we think that, you know, NATO soldiers have helped to, to shoot these medium range missiles into Russia, in Germany, especially, we announced that we will have a war with, we have to prepare for war with Russia in 2029. I mean, what does it sound for Russia? And interestingly, it’s a year 29, because it’s a year when Trump is no longer president. I mean, it’s almost unbelievable what we are doing there. We talk about war. We talk about plans of, of taking as a revenge Kaliningrad, because it’s an enclave, which would be easy to conquer militarily. I mean, unbelievable. It’s Russian territory. And we say we would stop in international waters, the shadow fleet of … of Russia. I mean, these are all acts of war of NATO countries. And to believe that Russia would not respond with force, including with nuclear force against them, is just lunatic. And this is what we want to do. Now, the great advantage of the Alaska meeting now is that this will not happen anymore. Europe stands now alone. It’s very, very clear. I mean, the United States will not support this type of adventurism to turn this war around and prevent that Ukraine loses the war.
- Schulenburg: … when I listened to the press conference, I mean, I’m not a Trump supporter, as you can imagine. I mean, not at all, actually. I thought to myself…we always say Trump, he’s crazy and, you know, unpredictable, all the rest of it. But look at our own leaders, Merz, Macron, Starmer, von der Leyen, Rutte… when I look at this meeting… Trump towers over them… we are really the crazy ones.. We, I mean, to think that we want, we are on the way of provoking a nuclear war with Russia, living in Europe…we will be the first ones who would be killed. And nonetheless, that’s what we do and there will be no negotiations with Russia, No diplomatic way of trying to solve it another way. … I think it’s absolute madness… And Trump comes out … as a more reasonable person… I think we should be grateful to this one.
- Schulenburg: …what is happening now in Alaska is basically a recognition of the results of this war. Russia has won it. Russia will be now the strong country. Europe, European Union who thought they could use a war to unite to and to make Europe a great power at par with China and the United States, because that’s really the plan of von der Leyen and these people have failed. I mean, I wouldn’t even not surprised if within the next two years, the European Union will… falter.
- Schulenburg: So what Trump really did is receiving the winner of this war. That’s typically what one does.
- Schulenburg: it’s almost as the war is over. And, and you don’t have to talk about the military things anymore. You talk now about other things, the relations with Russia. I mean, that Russia invites the US president to come to Moscow. Unthinkable, but he hasn’t said no. And so I think the relations with Russia will be very important. Economic relations, they speak about the Arctic, ..space, and luckily also about arms control and things like this one. So they are very important things on the plate, which are beyond already the Ukraine war.
- Schulenburg: So I think they recognize that Russia has a claim … that Ukraine should remain a neutral country. They have a claim to protect the Russian population. They have a claim to have an access to the black sea. This is a recognition. And then the third thing is, which I think is the outcome is that we know the United States will now withdraw from the Ukraine war, at least militarily…
- Schulenburg: And because Europeans cannot afford this war, have not the ability to escalate this war, all their plans, which I mentioned before are basically now defunct. And I’m very happy about this because it’s just crazy. So Europe has somehow to reorient. Ukraine will have to reorient. They know now that they will not be saved by the Europeans because Europe cannot save them. So, their only options if they act rationally is to rush to speak with Trump and then with Putin.
- Glenn Diesen: you mentioned Kaliningrad like, Oh, it will be easy to invade Kaliningrad because it’s surrounded by NATO countries is kind of exposed. But then what? That’s 1 million Russians living in Kaliningrad. Are they going to be forcibly expelled? Are they going to be living under NATO occupation? A million Russians? I mean, how is Russia going to just capitulate and say, well, okay, I guess this is, we lost it. You know what, what happens the day after the consequences? This is just that they’re able to say these things. It’s, you know, this is like end of the world stuff.
- Schulenburg: Europe has no allies anymore. We have always said we wanted to isolate Russia, you know, but it has not happened. Russia has now been invited to India. They most likely will go with Modi together to the celebrations of the end of…the world war in the Pacific. You know, I mean, they are not isolated, and their economy is going actually quite surprisingly well and not ours. So, I mean, Europe behaves against its own interests.
- Schulenburg: Very soon the European Union will only be 4 ½% of the world population and its GDP, according to Price Waterhouse, will drop to 9% of global output. I mean, who are we? We’re still wealthy, blah, blah, blah, but we are not, we are very far away of ever being a superpower. And luckily, and I don’t like a European Union as a superpower. We should be a peace power. That is what we were created for.
- Schulenburg: Alaska is a big game-changer, and it has prevented that this war slides into a nuclear war. It has accepted the realities of the war you have and you want to make peace. You always have first of all to accept the realities. You cannot change anything if you don’t accept the realities. And the war has created realities, realities we didn’t expect. We did expect that Russia would lose the war. Now it has won the war and they won the war. I mean, I’m not for anybody winning wars. I’m against all wars. You should always negotiate things, but we have to recognize the facts
- Schulenburg: NATO is only 10% of the world population. We control afterwards 75% of all military expenditures in the world. I mean, is this security? It’s not security.
- Schulenburg: we have leaders who are absolutely mad, absolutely mad. I just don’t know what to say to it.
- Schulenburg: We Europeans always look still down at the United States. They have changed and the voters have put somebody in place who said no longer wars. I mean, when you look at the 20 objectives in Trump’s election program, for, you know, he calls it agenda 27, there’s only one really on foreign policy and that says to avoid the World War III. That’s what it says. You know, he has a very simple language there, but people understand it…And when Trump goes now to Alaska, he does it against American political military elites. Very clearly the Washington elite in great majority doesn’t want that. Senators don’t want that and so on and so on… He can do it because he has been elected as an anti-establishment president, if he holds the line.
- Schulenburg: … it is a show of a decline of Europe. It is a huge, huge decline. We see also intellectually, we can hardly, the control of what you say and not say. It’s very difficult for me to publish anything or to say something in public. It’s so controlled in the meantime, all the things, the sanctions by the EU for “spreading Russian propaganda”… the decline of the rule of law in Europe of democracy, of the freedom of speech is enormous in this whole context. Enormous and frightening.
- Diesen: the problem with this excessive militarism is, as you see in Europe, we have economic decline, social problems growing, the rule of law declining, democracy itself, just the freedom of speech is, as you said, you can’t speak openly anymore. Well, not about everything, but on foreign policy, security issues, do you have government’s official truths? And then you have everything else, which is, yeah, almost seen as a treasonous statement. So, it’s a very dangerous path going down, which is why it’s, as you said before, it’s a bit strange that countries like Germany isn’t taking this opportunity to say, you know what, this policy was a huge flop. There’s no future to it. Trump is shifting, adjusting to new realities, but I can’t understand why nothing is being done.
- Schulenburg … don’t forget we are at a time where the West has lost two essential wars. It is not only the Ukraine war we have lost. Also Israel, which is our closest ally, has lost the war against Iran. I’m convinced that Iran has a nuclear weapon. There is a very interesting interview I’ve seen on this one with a specialist from the United States. It’s very easy for them to do. And, uh, and they will have to do it because they have to expect that Israel will attack again. And I think it will not happen anymore because Israel knows it’s a very small country. One of these devices is enough and either it would basically be finished. And Iran is much larger.
- Schulenburg: I mean, Israel is, conundrum of wars around itself and in all the things. They cannot come out of it. And the strongest adversary, at least how they see it, might have now a nuclear bomb.
- Schulenburg: interestingly also that the Saudi Arabian, uh, Prince had called twice Iran to express solidarity. Pakistan has offered to give Iran a nuclear bomb. I mean, don’t we get where the world is that this type of things we do will not be able to continue? I mean, these countries are 90% of the world population, 90%. What, who are we? Where do we, when children go in our schools, they see a world map with Europe in the middle and Europe looks then very, much larger than it is in reality, because it’s sort of in the middle.
- Schulenburg: we are putting now more and more money into war, into NATO, into all this type of things, instead of going around and saying, listen, we have to find a new way of how we live together. And we will be a constructive party in this whole thing.
- Schulenburg: I’m very much future oriented and I see the future of Europe extremely bleak… because the decline of the economy, which we see in Europe will accelerate. We cannot survive if we don’t get along with Asia. You know, if now Asia is cut off by Russia controlling the whole line from the Bering Sea to the Black Sea, and we think that we, through Armenia, we have a loophole or somehow, it’s completely crazy. It’s, we have, we need Russia because of its raw materials, because of the energy, because of the, also the trade. We have access to Central Asia. We need the access to India, and we need the land bridge to China.
- Schulenburg: I’m a great defender of the UN charter also because I’ve been in so many countries with wars and you know, and you have, I mean, you have this little booklet virtually under your pillow because if you don’t have this one, you would have no value system at all to adhere to why there should be negotiations, why we should have peace. We in Europe have completely ignored the UN charter. We speak about the rules-based order. This doesn’t exist. The rules-based order is never recognized by any other country except in NATO countries. And for them, rules-based order means you set the rules, you do what you want, but you insist that we do other things. We have to go back to the UN charter, which is greatly supported. I mean, if you look at the founding documents of BRICS, it’s the UN charter on top, your non-interference in the internal affairs of other States. And so, all these principles from the UN charter. Where do we find it in the West? We need it much more because for a very simple reason, the development of military systems and the speed with which they can nowadays be delivered, doesn’t allow wars as a solution for political conflicts.
- Schulenburg: So we have to go back to the charter, which says we should negotiate our conflicts, and we should try everything, you know, international courts, whatever things, but all peace building measures to prevent, because we will continue to have conflicts among States, but we should not have it to go to, to war.
- Schulenburg: the EU parliament, I find very difficult. It’s an extremely pro-war parliament. And I have now created with some friends, a working group on peace and you believe it or not, there was no working group with all the working groups they have on peace for the last eight years in the European parliament.
